It likewise utilizes a cocking system that is unique amongst striker-fired pistols. I put into the chamber a primed case w/o powder or bullet. There are no Glock negligent discharges *without* the word *negligent* in the incident description. (I dont think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.). This is why. If the slide goes back far enough to be out of battery, then the gun will just fire out of battery. MOLON LABE. you roll the dice. Gunfights can happen that fast. The chamber under the hammer of any carried revolver is *irrelevant* for the first shot, since cocking the hammer of an SA or pulling the trigger on a DA advances the next chamber to the firing position. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! The round wouldnt even need to be in a chamber at all. If you need to defend yourself, you cannot afford the time to rack the slide. And, Mad, you really like those ad hominem attacks. But unlike the Shield Plus, the Equalizerlike the Shield EZis a single-action as opposed to striker-fired pistol. No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Negligence or stupidity, flip the coin on word choice. Safe wise, I like the Homak #584 4 digit/code safe. The answer is "yes." Milliseconds count. I like having a gun ready to shoot but I need a second chance when Im juggling. Prices accurate at time of writing. I once owned 12 of them. Clinging to God and guns. The Glock 43 is VERY close in size to the Glock 42, but chambered for that 9mm cartridge some people demand - or at least don't frown on like they do the .380ACP. . When suddenly a rabbit rushes out of the brush, I sometimes forget to switch off the safety. If one wishes to carry sans a round in the chamber. link to What is a Pistol Caliber Carbine. Carry chambered ever since. Let the one with no traffic tickets throw the first stone. Cocked and locked . But, OFC, the current crop of TTAG writers are kept too busy chasing sponsors to look up the meaning and physics of the things theyre writing about. Or ya know, apply the tried by 12 or carried by 6 rule. See? Im a mommy-frelling ballerina with a pickem up truck towing. And unlike Mad, I DO make mistakes. All I get is replies that they are working on it. Think about Her all you Geniuses that sing the siren song of the Utopian world of Glock. Much longer than a Glock, twice as heavy as a Glock. Now getting older, I have trouble with body positions for competitions, so I dont enter very many club competitions anymore. While I agree its better to have a round in the chamber, I dont, not at the moment. Again, though, training is the answer. I notice that you had to go look it up though. Some extras, just in case one breaks? Will again once they are old enough to figure out crapping ones pants is a bad idea. Options are good. Mike Cumpston [Public domain], via Wikimedia CommonsCredit where due, its true that in days long past the best practice was to carry your revolver with the hammer resting on an empty chamber or on an empty primer nipple in pre-cartridge pistols. How To Train If You Don't Carry With A Round In The Chamber Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. "The mountains are calling and I must go." Note the flat(ish) hammer. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-truth-about-6-5mm-ammo/ Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered - Franjacobs Well your odds of dying of heart disease is about a thousand times more likely than dying from a criminal attack, so, maybe something to think about. A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. Glock likewise provides a slimline design, which integrates features from the Gen 3 and Gen 5 Glock guns. Because that argument is stupid in the first place, because the entire discussion is about *carrying* not about whether you should carry. They claimed that the officer didnt purposefully pull the trigger, but he just twitched from his heart beating fast and the gunshot an unarmed innocent man. and you can have a hammer strap optioned for anything with a hammer except dao. Glocks dont have an external safety because they were designed as a simple to operate as possible. Nothing is more dangerous than a little knowledge. Some of these points were deliberately avoided for reasons Ill get into. I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own. But thats good. I carry one in the chamber of my ruger P89 with 17 rounds in the magazine. I carry locked, loaded with a extra clip close by. Its an unsafe design from 2 aspects, the fact that it acts much like a single action weapon with the hammer cocked back and no manual safety and it has a totally unsafe asinine take down system. Glocks are designed with internal safety features to prevent accidental discharge. *, Keep your damn finger out of the trigger guard until your sights are on a target you intend to shoot and you should be training to do that automatically *even* while under stress. Colt change the SAA!? Just the same as the guy thumbing the safety off, he will beat me. First a 5906, then a PPK/S for 20 years. Glock Pockets - Pistols in Your Pocket | Officer We can talk about the merits of being able to shoot effectivly one handed. Introduced in 2012, the Shield is thinner and lighter than the M&P Compact and features an improved trigger. Heres a news flash, ever since Adam and Eve ate the serpents apple were all fallible. Considering how many types of expanding ammo my plethora of 1911s did not work very well with I gave up on them long ago. Answer (1 of 104): For me. When she holstered her Glock .40 it went off and the bullet went down her leg utterly destroying it. The initial pull of this trigger performs generally the same function as the thumb safety of a 1911 or single action. Practice holstering and unholstering without a round and see if the trigger is pulled. Also, that gun will then give you a second try at any round that fails to fire the first time. No permits needed, no interference from the State. Always eith one in the chamber, hammer down and safety off. One common question among Glock owners is whether or not they can shoot aluminum cased ammunition in their . If you cant train yourself to keep your finger off the trigger until you have made the decision to shoot any gun is dangerous in your hands. That connected to the trigger, which only dropped out of the way when the trigger was fully pressed. Yes, you're being silly. But if the gun has to be pointing at the ground for the problem to occur, then how big a problem can it be? Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! It will go off. Ive dropped a loaded Glock once, actually the only pistol Ive ever dropped in my life. Doesnt come into play until youve already fired 5 times. It was being carried in an improper holster or the operator got careless in putting the pistol back into the holster, by not making sure the path was clear. Its just not for me, especially as I get into my golden years. This would require the grip safety to be disabled (a somewhat common modification) or to malfunction. I dont know who else to contact. And you should be, too. That is a good point that I have never heard before. There are 5 in the house right now; computer room (where I am) living room, bathroom floor (beside the throne) and both sides of the bed. In the 1930's, W.E. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. We have lots more on the site to show you. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. I carried it un-chambered for a few weeks till I was comfortable. Ive said it once, Ill say it again. I hope to later, but I just moved to a state that allows it, and our first child just turned one. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? They are built using the patented Safe Action System which prevents unintentional firing. We do all make mistakes. Barrel: 4.5. You cant just twitch and accidentally shoot one. Too big, to heavy although I can cock the hammer on the draw with no problem (passive firing pin models). Since its a bookmark and not a save, it will go there and update to the latest info. I have no issue using any of my Glocks as a SD gun, nor do I have any issue using any of my 1911s, any of my revolvers, or any of my other guns. Big Bill: Yup. You can lift and close the bolt to cock the striker quicker than doing all four motions. PS: I have never had an ND with my EDC G23 chamber loaded these past 22 years. Please note Im not saying glock = bad. Id rather they stop production than change a design thats gone on unchanged for as long as it has. When I go hunting, I carry my Remington 700, bolt action rifle with the striker discharged on an empty chamber. All are coded alike, but each has a different weapon in condition 1 ready to go. The hammer snagged on a branch, and he shot his horse (he was twisted by the tree). For all those terrified at Condition One semi-autos, a percentage carried hunting shotguns afield for upland game and waterfowl every one with the . On TTAG anyone can use any name at any time, and that makes it really confusing. Not too long ago, we posted an article (by me!) For those of you that don't know, "Israeli Carry" is the practice carrying a pistol without a round in the chamber. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it. When I go out without my kids I rack the slide. What kind of a moron thought THAT was a good idea? Let's talk about wh. Modern revolvers with some sort of disconnect can be carried full up. It appears to me that Darwin and his theory of evolution is again being ignored, if you are dumb enough to carry without forethought, please ace yourself before you breed. Victoria: Of course my Smith .38 has EVERY chamber with a round in it. Shorten that to GLOCKTOPIA! Seems more in line with your abilities. The off hand comment was to the effect of glocks being less safe to carry with a round in the chamber than others. A few overly trigger-happy officers within a department and a sly PR department really spun yarns on this one. A loaded Glock is a little more dangerous than a striker with a heavier trigger and when you carry a missile behind the hammer and like a lite trigger , like I do , I advise people to carry a thumb safety , like I do . Do you carry your handgun with a round in the chamber - Guns.com His response could be ro shoot you with your gun. In non service activities, all occurred either nearly cheek to cheek, face to face, or less than 3 ft. when chit went south, and it happens so fast, Id bet few if any pro operators could rack then stack em But do suggest they make more of them and lower the price for us plebes. Fat troll. I dont have to hit a bypass cause its cocked, or turn off a safety, just pump and fire. As for the replicas, these are hit-and-miss when it comes to carrying on an empty chamber. OH NO! Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. A true DAO trigger that has as much chance of going off in a pocket, or other ND, as a DA revolver does. Boy, that must be realllll nice. Mr. Hoober, the only quibble I have with this article is the assumption that people only have a (as in singular) home defense gun. You rotate the cylinder halfway between the nipples and lower the hammer on the carry notch. IOWs, pathetic sheeple. Try it. like i said Safe and ready when I am. oh yeahuhcarry what you like guys. Even though they don't have . I carry a Glock 21 with a round in the chamber I constantly handle the gun to keep excellent muscle memory if you dont want to have the gun fire dont touch trigger. Just that for most every use, there are other choices that are better. There we go. It will catch on and you will be a rock star! Someone who wants to spend a couple thou on a gun should be more than willing to put the energy into learning how to use it safely. The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. Back in the old days of guns, they didnt really have any safety at all. I hope r.i.p is on your tombstone if you fail in a confrontation. Why You Should Keep One Bullet in the Chamber. That makes a takeaway more likely to succeed if attempted. Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. Length: 7.3. Glocks Don't Have Safeties, and It Makes Them Safer. The Glock 17M and Glock 19X are two designs with Gen 5 features. Then you have the big, scary, single-action magnums by IWI (the BFR) Freedom Arms and custom guns from Jeff Linebaugh. But, IF I were, then Id have to choose that DA revolver in my headboard. Question: If it lands on its muzzle could it not go out-of-battery? You'll want to train yourself one way or the other. Whatever stage you carry your weapon at be consistent. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six?? If something else provides that energy to the pin, the primer wont care whether its in a chamber or not. Many striker/plastic pistols, like the S&W Sygma, have actual DA triggers, that do not use glocks UN safe-action trigger scheme. I want something that goes bang when I pull the trigger, and I could care less how heavy or gritty that might be. On a range or match gun, OFC, my choice is different. People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity. There is no doubt about it. Glockster20. Fuck off gov. When I carry a semiautomatic pistol for self defense, the chamber is loaded and the safety is on. Even in that highly unlikely scenario, the gun would likely kill them anyway, even without going off, by blunt trauma alone. In my 3-screw, yes. I help equip people with knowledge and skills so they can be safe and effective with firearms. Good username though. It would be as if a round was pushed into the ground, primer up, and then a firing pin dropped from a height, point down, directly into the primer. The reason that the Israelis carry with an empty chamber is because Israel does not have a concept of self defense. Some folks in the comments section raised objections, as they are often wont to do. Said every one of the people who later came to suffer from glock leg. These Glocks have been beat to death and not once has the gun " fired " without some sort of trigger manipulation. That being said, I also carry a M&P 9mm with one in the chamber. As I commented after the previous article, carry so that all you have to do is draw and pull the trigger. There is an old article in the LA Times and National Intrest that claims Glocks are accident-prone and overly dangerous pistols. If you are so uncomfortable with a Glock as a fully loaded and chambered self defense gun, why do you own one? The end result is the same, but the means to that end are directly opposite in how they function. Not the first time I have seen you feed the gun grabbers agenda either. Why would you do that more in a Glock than in *any other firearm*? Or a DA/SA auto. The best line of all time is Dirty Harrys. I have four (4) SA revolvers. The are a couple videos out there showing issues with holsters (kydex included) where bending or twisting caused a discharge. In that case, the argument that any gun is better than no gun might be correct but thats as far as it goes. It still works now, so long as the comment page is more than three years old. I thought I counted 17 in the battle scene in Open Range. Smh. She was brave. Am I being silly? People are going to make mistakes but when you design a tool as unsafe as the Glock its not a maybe they will have an accidental discharge its a fking fact that sooner or later they will. But now at my age I know me and I know my weapons and youll be gambling with your life if you engage me thinking you know whether there is one in the chamber. Do Glocks Have Safeties? [2022] - Minutemanreview.com Thought about getting the Sig with the external safety, but decided not too. Do you, punk? Wonder why guns are the most logical option? I think the Glock leg argument is kinda straying off into another argument, that could be a good idea for its own article. Say, if you can make that mistake (and you did), are you willing to admit that maybe, just possibly, youve mad other mistakes? If all you do at the range is stand there at the bench, pick up your gun, lock the slide, insert the magazine, and press the slide stop to send the slide forward, then get on target to shoot, you're not training yourself right. Second Amendment to the US Constitution, "Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol." Thats OK with me. The name's Jordan, but friends call me Jordy. I know, its a big word, all scary long and has lots of syllables, but try it out. Either you will practice with chambered, or chamber empty. There is no way to put a round in the chamber without leaving the striker cocked, and there is no safety. Agree with the author 100%. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[468,60],'guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_2',112,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2-0');I, as well as others, have tested and tried to get the Safe Action System, to fail but without actually modifying parts, we havent been able to. Big thing, its hammer fired and its also DA/SA, so I have no problem with chambering a round and lowering the hammer. Training is nothing more than repetition. Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. Now, what about those darn useless novelty CCH badges? . The gunfight at the end was pretty good otherwise, but at one point Costner gets 16 shots out of his Colt SAA without reloading. Glock firearms Instructor. I still dont get any notifications that someone has replied to any of my comments. Learn your own weapon and try not to drop it, the last thing you do might be a good catch. This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. On Firefox for Windows, it just goes to the top of the page, but it will still get the newest comments. I have four. Im so glad to have seen the one person who never makes a mistake! As a top performer in reliability and safety tests, it quickly entered into the Austrian military and police service. Quick easy to access and small enough for the P365, a spare magazine, and a small 300 Lumen Tac Light. Personally, I have several, ranging from BP revolvers to modern SA and DA revolvers & semi-auto pistols, to rifles and shotguns. . How often do you train your driving abilities?. Old school, extract, thumb, trigger finger, rinse n repeat often until autopilot takes over. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. See the old Remingtons. SOME of these guns (Ruger, Rough Rider, IWI, Freedom Arms, Linebaugh) have transfer bar safeties and thus can be carried fully loaded. Or some jackass was pocket carrying his G43 without a holster and something snagged the trigger. Thank you very much. plan A: have an empty gun you throw onto the ground to start the action. The Gen 5 Glock pistol is the latest generation in the Glock household. 19th century Colt hammers. The IDF has quit carrying with a round chambered. How Long Can You Keep a Round in the Chamber? - Option Gray Modern handguns are designed to be carried with a loaded chamber. Perfect for everyday carry, the compact Glock 43 is a popular concealed carry option chambered in 9mm. I wonder how it avoids the googlebots? Those stances, their great for cops and competition but IMO bot so great in a gunfight up close. A admit, these days are different a 3 grand safe, that folks have to go look up the damn combo to, or wake up with a shadow looking at them in a dark bedroom and try to get to a box hopefully in reach without getting halfway up out of bed. Momentum and all. The Top 10 Best Handguns for Carrying (Plus Two Extras, Just in Case) Same here. Glock G21 439. at Guns.com. If youre going to pocket carry, get a pocket holster. And in my opinion , and this would be scary, Id bet my draw and cock against the draw rack the slide anytime. My Taurus Millenium G2, basically a glock with a safety, same thing, actions are needed to make it fire. It's a small handgun that is easy to carry, chambered for a very powerful cartridge, and priced so a working man can easily afford it. I have handguns that have a magazine safety I leave the mag out a 1/2 inch in the lock box and the mag cant be rammed home while in the box(like if it were dropped). When you carry, do you keep it chambered or do you keep it unchambered so you'd have to actually chamber your gun when you need to use it? The engineer who designed a take down system whereby the slide has to be forward and you have to pull the trigger must have on that day tripped out on LSD. And therefore only idiots use it. Brain farts are a universal malady that effects 100% of all humans and the Glock and its clones are probably the least idiot proof handgun ever invented. This is especially true when it comes to the popular Glock line of handguns. I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. Well, except for that ad hominem attack, anyway. * It has a safety, but I dont really care about that. Do it right; prepare the firearm for immediate use and take the neccessary precautions given that state of readiness. Also thank goodness I dont even have to make THAT choice. Not a bad plan. Been reading the thread here on this topic, since we all have an O I quite agree with your spot on comment Sir. ADs by glockinstine operators usually are extracting their golden goose with or wit out a pocket holster, by placing their finger, as so many comments referred to above, on the trigger upon extraction. I have these 2 hidden and had mounted in my house. Who honestly gives a F*ck what someone else chooses to do. and so as to keep continuity in their mindset they keep that same gun on the headboard at night with no round in the chamber so that there wont be any confusion The New York Trigger as it became known had an 8-pound trigger pull. Its an unnatural, metallic noise that spooked him instantly, and I missed the snap shot at a running target, and he was gone. Jordan has taught marksmanship, woodsmanship, and self-defense classes. which for them is unwise because it feels utterly unsafe to do so So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? I will always carry chambered because I keep my fingers where they belong and therefore don't worry about it. No, but it requires that everything go right when theres a higher chance of something going wrong. The Glock handgun is the favored pistol of law enforcement agencies worldwide. Glock is a brand of polymer-framed, short recoil-operated, locked-breech semi-automatic pistols designed and produced by Austrian manufacturer Glock Ges.m.b.H.. How to Store Home Defense Weapons - USA Carry